Head to head · Open-weight models you run yourself · October 2026 research run
LongCat-2.5 vs ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B)
ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) scores 61 (C) on agent readiness against LongCat-2.5's 50.5 (D), and leads in 2 of 4 scored categories. LongCat-2.5 leads on risk and agent interface. Both do open-weight models you run yourself.
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Which one, for what
Best for Operators with NPU clusters, and anyone tracking what the open flagships can do
Ahead on
- Risk, 60 against 45
- Agent interface, 75 against 70
Watch for
3,562 GB in BF16 and 1,336 GB at 4 bits
Best for Small teams and individuals running Qwen3.8-27B for agent or reasoning work who want shorter thinking traces on one 24 GB GPU or Mac.
Ahead on
- Reach, 75 against 35
- Documentation and upkeep, 53 against 46
Watch for
PolyForm Small Business licence, free commercially only below 100 people and 1,000,000 USD (2019) revenue
Why the edge
Each category where one leads by five points or more, with the reason behind each side's score from its assessment. The numbers are in the table below; this is what they stand for.
Reach ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) +40
LongCat-2.5 35
Memory 0, the smallest build is Meituan's W4A4 repository, 1,336 GB, and 1,336 GB × 1.2 = 1,603 GB, far above 256 GB. The BF16 files are 3,562 GB. Runtimes 0, none of the six runs it in a released version: vLLM 0.33.0, SGLang 0.5.23, Transformers 5.22.2 and llama.cpp b12242 have no LongcatCausalLM or pro_v code, and the model code config.json names isn't in the repository. Builds 10, one quantised build from Meituan, the W4A4 repository (4-bit experts, 1,336 GB). Terms 15, MIT in the metadata, the LICENSE file and the card, with nothing added. Download 10, the Hub API reports gated false for both repositories on 10 November 2026, so the files download with no account and nothing to accept. Hosted 0, Hugging Face maps no inference provider to it. 0 + 0 + 10 + 15 + 10 + 0 = 35.
ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) 75
Memory 25 of 30, BottleCap's IQ4_XS GGUF is 15.5 GB, 18.6 GB with a fifth added, which fits 24 GB. Runtimes 20, it keeps the base's qwen3_5 architecture, which llama.cpp, vLLM, SGLang and Transformers run in released versions, while Ollama's entry is the base's. Builds 15, FP8, NVFP4, MLX and GGUF from BottleCap. Terms 10, PolyForm Small Business is free commercially only below 100 people and 1,000,000 USD (2019) revenue. Download 5, the main repository is gated behind a click-through with an account and contact details, though the GGUF, NVFP4 and MLX builds aren't. Hosted 0, no API or inference provider serves it.
Risk LongCat-2.5 +15
LongCat-2.5 60
File safety 25, safetensors only, no .bin, .pt or .pth files and no Python in the repository. Provenance 15, the files sit in the meituan-longcat organisation, the name of Meituan's GitHub organisation that the card links for deployment, and the card's licence names Meituan (10). Safety evaluation 0, no safety results on the card. Agent guidance 5, General cautions under Usage Considerations: not evaluated for every use, assess accuracy, safety and fairness before sensitive use, and follow the law. Licence risk 15, MIT with no use policy, no threshold and no right to change the terms. Security programme 0, no way to report a flaw on the card beyond a general contact, and Meituan's own security pages weren't looked up, so this scores as absent and is an open question. 25 + 15 + 0 + 5 + 15 + 0 = 60.
ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) 45
File safety 25, safetensors only and no code in the repository. Provenance 10 of 15, the files are in BottleCap's verified organisation, but the Hub hides the gated files' SHA-256 from the public, so checksums couldn't be confirmed. Safety evaluation 0, none published. Agent guidance 0. Licence risk 10, 5 off for the size and revenue threshold. Security programme 0, no security.txt, disclosure policy or security contact.
Documentation and upkeep ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) +7
LongCat-2.5 46
Model card 11, Intended use, limitations (the usage considerations), the architecture and the parameter counts are on the card. Training data 5, A general description of the training stages and where the reinforcement learning tasks came from, with no sources, sizes or cut-off. Last change 20, the last commit, on 10 November 2026, updated the card, on the day of this check. Responsiveness 0, Neither of the 2 discussions that aren't pull requests (9 and 10 November 2026) has a reply from a meituan-longcat member, counted on 10 November by author flags and dates with a script, text not read. Version policy 5, LongCat-2.0 stays in its own repositories and 2.5 came out in new ones, with no dated note on the older ones that we read. File health 5, the template is in both places and agrees, but config.json's auto_map names configuration_longcat_oe and modeling_longcat_oe, which aren't in the repository, and the tokenizer config's 131,072-token length is a quarter of the config's 524,288 positions. 11 + 5 + 20 + 0 + 5 + 5 = 46.
ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) 53
Model card 8 of 20, intended use, limitations and parameters are there, but architecture, context, languages and a cut-off aren't. Training data 0, not described. Last change 20, BottleCap's GGUF build of the model changed its card on 7 October 2026, 27 days ago. Responsiveness 10, BottleCap answered 4 of 8 discussions on the main repository. Version policy 5, the earlier ThinkingCap stays in its own repository with an undated pointer to this one. File health 10, the readable metadata and builds agree and no broken-file report waits.
Agent interface LongCat-2.5 +5
LongCat-2.5 75
Chat template 20, chat_template.jinja in the repository (11,823 characters), with a copy in tokenizer_config.json. Tool-calling format 25, the card documents how tools are declared (the OpenAI function format) and how calls come back (tool_calls with an id, a name and JSON arguments, answered by a tool message), in a worked example against an OpenAI-compatible server. Trained tool calling 10, the card describes reinforcement learning on long agentic tasks and shows one tool call in a turn. Structured output 0, Nothing on the card about JSON or schema-constrained output. Reasoning control 10, enable_thinking on or off per request through chat_template_kwargs, with the reasoning returned as reasoning_content, both shown on the card. Context 10, the card states no context length, but config.json gives 524,288 positions and the card's own evaluations ran at 512K and 1M sequence lengths after what it calls long-context training, so 128K or more is taken as trained. 20 + 25 + 10 + 0 + 10 + 10 = 75.
ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) 70
Chat template 20, the same Jinja template as Qwen3.8-27B, in the repository. Tool-calling format 10 of 25, the card names the parsers but the format lives only in the template. Trained tool calling 20, several calls a turn, and BottleCap evaluated agent tasks. Structured output 0, not documented. Reasoning control 10, reasoning_effort budgets thinking per request and the card says where the reasoning comes back. Context 10, 262,144 tokens.
Score by category
| Category | Weight this run | LongCat-2.5 | ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) | Edge |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Capability | 35%pending | pending | pending | not scored in this run |
| Reach | 25%25 | 35 | 75 | ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) +40 |
| Risk | 20%20 | 60 | 45 | LongCat-2.5 +15 |
| Agent interface | 10%10 | 75 | 70 | LongCat-2.5 +5 |
| Documentation and upkeep | 10%10 | 46 | 53 | ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) +7 |
| Negative events | ≤15 | 0 | 0 | |
| Total | D 50.5/100 | C 61/100 |
Facts side by side
| Fact | LongCat-2.5 | ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) |
|---|---|---|
| Kind | Open-weight model | Open-weight model |
| Vendor | Meituan (LongCat) | BottleCap AI |
| Hosted endpoint | no (local only) | no (local only) |
| Transports | ||
| Auth | None | None |
| Pricing | Free | Free |
| x402 | no | no |
| Licence | MIT | PolyForm-Small-Business-1.0.0 |
| Read-only variant documented | no | no |
| llms.txt | no | no |
| Last release | 2026-11-10 | 2026-10-06 |
| Terms last updated | not read yet | no document linked |
| Privacy policy last updated | no document linked | 2026-01-21 |
| Agent reviews | none | 2.5/5 (4) |
Verdicts
LongCat-2.5
Meituan's flagship is MIT-licensed and documented for tool calling and switchable reasoning, with strong numbers of its own on agentic coding. Almost nobody can run it: 3,562 GB of weights, a 1,336 GB 4-bit build for NPU accelerators, and no released runtime with its architecture. A model to watch until a runtime or a provider picks it up.
ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B)
A Qwen3.8-27B with shorter reasoning, for agent work where thinking tokens cost time, and BottleCap's 4-bit GGUF runs in about 19 GB. The main limits are the licence, which needs a paid licence above 100 people or 1,000,000 USD revenue, a gated main repository, and no safety results or training-data description.
Before you call either
LongCat-2.5
- You can't run this on a workstation or a single GPU server. Plan for a provider, and none serves it yet
- If an operator serves it, call it as an OpenAI-compatible chat API with tools in the function format
- Pass
chat_template_kwargswithenable_thinkingtrue or false - With thinking on, keep earlier reasoning in the history (
save_history_reasoning_contenttrue), as the card recommends - The card's results use temperature 1.0 and top_p 0.95
- Its benchmark table is Meituan's own. The unmarked scores are in-house
ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B)
- Check the licence first, an organisation with 100 or more people or 1,000,000 USD (2019) revenue needs a commercial licence from BottleCap
- For files without the gate use
llama-server -hf bottlecapai/ThinkingCap-Qwen3.8-27B-GGUF:Q4_K_M --jinja, about 17.4 GB - On vLLM use
--reasoning-parser qwen3 --enable-auto-tool-choice --tool-call-parser qwen3_xml, and on SGLang--tool-call-parser qwen3_coder - Set
reasoning_effort(xhigh, medium or low) in chat_template_kwargs, any other value makes the template raise an error - Keep the base's sampling (temperature 1.0, top_p 0.95, top_k 20), the GGUF card says greedy decoding can loop
- The GGUFs carry an MTP head, and llama.cpp builds without MTP support for this architecture may refuse to load them with a missing blk.64 tensor
Questions
Which is better for AI agents, LongCat-2.5 or ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B)?
ThinkingCap (Qwen3.8 27B) scores 61 (C) on agent readiness against LongCat-2.5's 50.5 (D), and leads in 2 of 4 scored categories. LongCat-2.5 leads on risk and agent interface.
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