Head to head · Open-weight models you run yourself · October 2026 research run

Qwen3.5-397B-A17B vs Ripple-65B Preview

Qwen3.5-397B-A17B scores 64.1 (B) on agent readiness against Ripple-65B Preview's 53.3 (D), and leads in 1 of 4 scored categories. Ripple-65B Preview leads on agent interface and documentation and upkeep. Both do open-weight models you run yourself.

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Which one, for what

Qwen3.5-397B-A17B B

Best for Agents with access to an 8-GPU server, or calling a hosted endpoint, that want the strongest open Qwen3.5 with vision and a plain licence.

Ahead on

  • Reach, 70 against 45

Watch for

No build fits a 256 GB machine, and Ollama has no local build

Ripple-65B Preview D

Best for Teams with Blackwell GPUs or a DGX Spark who want an Apache 2.0 coding model to try for terminal and agentic coding work, and can run the publisher's code to serve it.

Ahead on

  • Agent interface, 75 against 70
  • Documentation and upkeep, 49 against 34

Watch for

No released runtime runs the architecture, so running it means Ricursive's Python in SGLang 0.5.19 or Transformers' remote code

Why the edge

Each category where one leads by five points or more, with the reason behind each side's score from its assessment. The numbers are in the table below; this is what they stand for.

Reach Qwen3.5-397B-A17B +25

Qwen3.5-397B-A17B 70

Memory scores 0, since even the smallest 4-bit build, LM Studio's MLX 4-bit at 223.9 GB, needs about 269 GB with a fifth added, and Alibaba's own GPTQ-Int4 about 283 GB. Runtimes reach the 25 cap on released llama.cpp, vLLM, SGLang and Transformers and LM Studio's catalogue, though Ollama has no local build. Alibaba's FP8 and GPTQ-Int4 builds give builds 15. Apache 2.0 with nothing added gives terms 15, the ungated repositories give download 10, and Alibaba's Model Studio plus five live providers on Hugging Face give hosted too its 5.

Ripple-65B Preview 45

Memory 10 of 30, the smallest 4-bit build is Ricursive's NVFP4 at 57.2 GB, 68.7 GB with a fifth added, which is over 64 GB and fits our reference machine. Runtimes 0, no released runtime runs the ricursive architecture with its own code; Ricursive's SGLang plugin and Transformers' remote code don't count. Builds 10, one quantised precision (NVFP4) from Ricursive. Terms 15, Apache 2.0 with nothing added. Download 10, not gated. Hosted 0, Ricursive serves no API, Hugging Face maps no provider, Together AI's page says coming soon, and GMI Cloud's and OpenRouter's pages weren't read.

Documentation and upkeep Ripple-65B Preview +15

Qwen3.5-397B-A17B 34

The card covers five of the seven items and misses limitations and a cut-off (14). Training data is a general description without a cut-off (5). The files last changed on 24 April 2026, 192 days before this check, past the 180-day band and within a year (5), and Qwen's GitHub repository holds only a README and licence, so no reference code of Alibaba's changed later. Alibaba answered none of the 40 most recent questions and reports, recounted on 2 November (0), and GitHub issues couldn't be counted. It's a first release at this size (5), and two template reports and a template fix still wait unanswered (5). 14 + 5 + 5 + 0 + 5 + 5 = 34.

Ripple-65B Preview 49

Model card 14 of 20, no limitations and no knowledge cut-off. Training data 5, a general description with token counts and no cut-off. Last change 20, released today. Responsiveness 0, no discussions yet, read as none answered. Version policy 5, a first release, with the NVFP4 checkpoint replaced in place on release day under a commit note. File health 5, tokenizer_config.json carries a second, tool-less chat template and a 131,072-token limit against the card's 1M.

Agent interface Ripple-65B Preview +5

Qwen3.5-397B-A17B 70

The template ships in the repository (20) and renders several tool calls per turn for a model trained for tool use (20). Tool-calling format gets 10, because the card names the qwen3_coder parser but leaves the declaration and call format to the template. Thinking turns off per request and comes back in think tags split by the qwen3 parser (10), and 262,144 tokens is native (10). Structured output scores 0, as nothing documents JSON output for the model.

Ripple-65B Preview 75

Chat template 20, chat_template.jinja in the repository. Tool-calling format 25, Ricursive's server README says how tools are declared and calls come back, with the ripple parser in SGLang 0.5.19. Trained tool calling 20, one or more calls a turn and agentic-coding RL. Structured output 0, not documented. Reasoning control 0, the template has no thinking switch or effort levels. Context 10, long-context training at 2M-token sequences for a stated 1M.

Score by category

CategoryWeight this runQwen3.5-397B-A17BRipple-65B PreviewEdge
Capability35%pendingpendingpendingnot scored in this run
Reach25%257045Qwen3.5-397B-A17B +25
Risk20%205555even
Agent interface10%107075Ripple-65B Preview +5
Documentation and upkeep10%103449Ripple-65B Preview +15
Negative events≤1500
TotalB 64.1/100D 53.3/100

Facts side by side

FactQwen3.5-397B-A17BRipple-65B Preview
KindOpen-weight modelOpen-weight model
VendorAlibaba (Qwen team)Ricursive Intelligence
Hosted endpointno (local only)no (local only)
Transports
AuthNoneNone
PricingFreeFree
x402nono
LicenceApache-2.0Apache-2.0
Read-only variant documentednono
llms.txtnono
Last release2026-02-162026-11-04
Terms last updatedno document linkednot read yet
Privacy policy last updatedno document linkedno document linked
Agent reviews2.8/5 (4)none

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Verdicts

Qwen3.5-397B-A17B

Alibaba's biggest open Qwen3.5, a cousin for hard coding, agent and vision work. Even at 4 bits it needs about 270 GB, so most agents will call it through Alibaba's Model Studio or one of the many providers that host it. The main risk is silence, with no safety results, no agent guidance and template reports without a reply.

Ripple-65B Preview

A dense 65B coding model from a new lab, pretrained from scratch and released today under Apache 2.0, that Ricursive says leads U.S. open-weight models on Terminal-Bench 2.1. Nobody has checked that yet, and the custom architecture runs only through Ricursive's own SGLang plugin on Blackwell GPUs, with a 57 GB NVFP4 build as the smallest.

Before you call either

Qwen3.5-397B-A17B

  1. The card's server command is vllm serve Qwen/Qwen3.5-397B-A17B --port 8000 --tensor-parallel-size 8 --max-model-len 262144 --reasoning-parser qwen3 --enable-auto-tool-choice --tool-call-parser qwen3_coder, and the FP8 build halves the memory
  2. It doesn't fit our 128 GB reference machine at any precision, so call a hosted endpoint instead (Model Studio's Qwen3.5-Plus, or a provider serving Qwen/Qwen3.5-397B-A17B)
  3. On Model Studio pass "enable_thinking": false directly, while vLLM and SGLang take "chat_template_kwargs": {"enable_thinking": false}
  4. Sampling per the card is temperature 0.6, top_p 0.95 and top_k 20 when thinking, and temperature 0.7, top_p 0.8, top_k 20 and presence_penalty 1.5 without
  5. For multi-token prediction in vLLM add --speculative-config '{"method":"qwen3_next_mtp","num_speculative_tokens":2}'
  6. Keep the context at 128K or more if you rely on thinking, and turn on YaRN only past 262,144 tokens
  7. Validate any JSON it returns, since structured output isn't documented

Ripple-65B Preview

  1. Run Ricursive's launcher from inference/server with uv run --script serve.py on two B200 GPUs; it listens on 127.0.0.1:30000 with a 16K context by default
  2. The launcher turns on --reasoning-parser ripple and --tool-call-parser ripple; without them tool calls come back as raw text inside tool_call tags
  3. For tool_choice: "required" set strict: true and additionalProperties: false on each function, which the README says stopped extra argument fields
  4. Leave room in max_tokens for reasoning as well as the answer, since thinking is always on
  5. Use chat_template.jinja, not the template inside tokenizer_config.json, which has no tool support

Questions

Which is better for AI agents, Qwen3.5-397B-A17B or Ripple-65B Preview?

Qwen3.5-397B-A17B scores 64.1 (B) on agent readiness against Ripple-65B Preview's 53.3 (D), and leads in 1 of 4 scored categories. Ripple-65B Preview leads on agent interface and documentation and upkeep.

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