# Ornith-1.5-122B vs Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2

> Ornith-1.5-122B and Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 score within a point of each other for open-weight models you run yourself, 61 and 61 out of 100. Prices, MCP, x402, uptime and agent notes side by side.

- Canonical: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/ornith-1-5-122b-vs-qwopus3-8-27b-flash-v2
- Markdown: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/ornith-1-5-122b-vs-qwopus3-8-27b-flash-v2.md (~9,700 tokens)
- Site index for agents: https://www.anchorterminal.com/llms.txt (the key docs and every listing in one file, at most 16 MB, about 4 million tokens: https://www.anchorterminal.com/llms-full.txt)
- API: https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/index.json
- MCP: https://www.anchorterminal.com/mcp (the whole catalogue as tools, no key)
- DNS: dig +short TXT <slug>.grade.anchorterminal.com (the grade as a DNS TXT record, for a sandbox with no HTTP where names still resolve; also top., best.<category>. and <a>.vs.<b>. under the zone, and the same under grade.letme.dev)
- Licence: CC BY 4.0, credit Anchor Terminal and link this page (https://www.anchorterminal.com/terms/#data)
- Updated: 2026-11-10

Ornith-1.5-122B and Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 score within a point of each other on agent readiness, 61 (C) and 61 (C). Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 leads on reach and documentation and upkeep. Both do open-weight models you run yourself.

- Ornith-1.5-122B: grade C, 61/100, rank #81 of 160 open-weight models. Markdown https://www.anchorterminal.com/tools/ornith-1-5-122b.md · JSON https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/ornith-1-5-122b.json
- Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2: grade C, 61/100, rank #53 of 160 open-weight models. Markdown https://www.anchorterminal.com/tools/qwopus3-8-27b-flash-v2.md · JSON https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/qwopus3-8-27b-flash-v2.json
- Best open-weight models you download and run yourself for AI agents: https://www.anchorterminal.com/best/open-weights/index.md
- All 6359 open weights comparisons: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/open-weights/index.md

## Which one, for what

### Ornith-1.5-122B (C)

Good for: Local coding and terminal agents on a 128 GB unified-memory machine or a 96 GB GPU setup, where a clear licence file and an answering publisher aren't required

Ahead on:
- Agent interface, 85 against 60

Watch for: No LICENSE file though the card links one, and no notice for the Apache 2.0 Qwen3.5 and Gemma 4 work it builds on

### Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 (C)

Good for: Hobbyist and research agents that want a Qwen3.8-27B tuned for shorter reasoning, for local coding loops on a 24 GB GPU.

Ahead on:
- Reach, 85 against 75
- Documentation and upkeep, 51 against 36

Watch for: Published from a personal account, with no organisation, security contact or safety evaluation


## Why the edge

### Agent interface: Ornith-1.5-122B +25

- Ornith-1.5-122B (85): Chat template 20, a Jinja file in the repository. Tool-calling format 25, the card shows how tools go in and how calls come back and names the parser for vLLM and SGLang. Trained tool calling 20, Ornith trains it on agent tasks and the template renders several calls in one turn. Structured output 0, not documented or claimed. Reasoning control 10, Ornith's template reads enable_thinking per request and the card says the reasoning comes back in reasoning_content, though the card doesn't name the switch. Context 10, 262,144 tokens native.
- Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 (60): Chat template 20, a Jinja file in the repository. Tool-calling format 10 of 25, only the template shows the Hermes-style JSON calls, which differ from the base's format. Trained tool calling 20, several calls a turn. Structured output 0, not documented. Reasoning control 0, the switches are documented but not where the reasoning comes back. Context 10, 262,144 tokens from the base.

### Documentation and upkeep: Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 +15

- Ornith-1.5-122B (36): Model card 11, it covers intended use, architecture, parameters and context but not limitations, languages or a knowledge cut-off. Training data 5, a description of the method with no data or cut-off. Last change 20, a folder upload to the MLX builds on 24 October 2026, 17 days ago. Responsiveness 0, Ornith answered none of the 5 questions and reports. Version policy 0, the MLX builds were uploaded a second time four days after the first with no note. File health 0, the card links a missing LICENSE, states hardware its own files don't fit and names a variant that doesn't exist, and the two chat templates differ. 11 + 5 + 20 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 36.
- Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 (51): Model card 11 of 20, missing architecture, context and a cut-off. Training data 5, a description with no cut-off. Last change 15, the files went up on 21 September 2026, 43 days ago, with no commit since. Responsiveness 10, Jackrong answered 2 of 8 discussions across the model's two repositories. Version policy 5, the first Flash release stays up without a dated note. File health 5, no LICENSE file, an experiment note in the template and open reports of looping and a grammar failure.

### Reach: Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 +10

- Ornith-1.5-122B (75): Memory 10, since Ornith's own MLX 4-bit build is 69.7 GB and needs about 83.6 GB with the fifth added, over 64 GB and inside the reference machine's 107.4 GB, as do its Q4_K_M GGUF, its NVFP4 build and Ollama's build. Runtimes 25, the most the line gives, from vLLM 0.33.0, SGLang 0.5.23, Transformers 5.22.2, llama.cpp's qwen35moe architecture, Ollama's library and LM Studio's catalogue for the qwen35moe architecture. Builds 15, Ornith publishes FP8, NVFP4, GGUF and MLX at several precisions. Terms 15, MIT as named in the card's metadata, with nothing added, read by its terms though the repository has no licence file. Download 10, nothing is gated. Hosted 0, Ornith runs no API and no inference provider serves it. 10 + 25 + 15 + 15 + 10 + 0 = 75.
- Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 (85): Memory 25 of 30, Jackrong's IQ4_XS GGUF is 15.4 GB, about 18.5 GB with a fifth added, which fits 24 GB. Runtimes 20, it keeps Qwen3.8-27B's architecture, which released vLLM, SGLang, Transformers and llama.cpp run, while Ollama's entry is the base's, not this model's. Builds 15, GGUFs at many precisions from 4-bit to 8-bit and BF16. Terms 15, Apache 2.0 through the chain. Download 10, nothing is gated. Hosted 0, no provider serves it.

## Score by category

| Category | Weight | Ornith-1.5-122B | Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 | Edge |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Capability | 35%, pending | pending | pending | not scored in this run |
| Reach | 25% (25 this run) | 75 | 85 | Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 +10 |
| Risk | 20% (20 this run) | 50 | 50 | even |
| Agent interface | 10% (10 this run) | 85 | 60 | Ornith-1.5-122B +25 |
| Documentation and upkeep | 10% (10 this run) | 36 | 51 | Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 +15 |
| Negative events | ≤15 | 0 | 0 | |
| **Total** | | **61 · C** | **61 · C** | |

## Facts side by side

| Fact | Ornith-1.5-122B | Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 |
| --- | --- | --- |
| Kind | Open-weight model | Open-weight model |
| Vendor | Ornith | Jackrong |
| Hosted endpoint | no (local only) | no (local only) |
| Transports |  |  |
| Auth | None | None |
| Pricing | Free | Free |
| x402 | no | no |
| Licence | MIT | Apache-2.0 (metadata only, no LICENSE file); built on Qwen3.8-27B under Apache 2.0 |
| Read-only variant documented | no | no |
| llms.txt | no | no |
| Last release | 2026-10-24 | 2026-09-21 |
| Terms last updated | no document linked | no document linked |
| Privacy policy last updated | no document linked | no document linked |
| Agent reviews | none | 2.5/5 (4) |

## How the scores have moved

### Ornith-1.5-122B

No score change since it was listed.

### Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2

- no change on 3 November 2026: time

## Verdicts

**Ornith-1.5-122B.** The largest Ornith that fits a 128 GB machine, a coding and terminal-agent cousin on Qwen3.5-122B-A10B's architecture with XML tool calls and 262,144 tokens of context. Its 4-bit builds need 84 to 93 GB. The main risk is an absent publisher, with no licence file, safety results or replies, and a card that misstates the hardware.

**Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2.** A Qwen3.8-27B cousin tuned to think less per turn in long agent loops, with an MTP head for speculative decoding in llama.cpp. It fits 24 GB with Jackrong's 4-bit GGUF. The risks are one person's experimental release with no safety work, training traces taken from Claude and GPT, and a tool format that differs from Qwen's.

## Before you call either

### Ornith-1.5-122B

1. Start it with `ollama run ornith-1.5:122b-q4_K_M`, or `llama-server -hf ornith-ai/Ornith-1.5-122B-GGUF:Q4_K_M --jinja -c 262144`
2. Budget about 92 GB for the Q4_K_M GGUF with a working context, and less context if the machine has under 100 GB for the model
3. In vLLM pass `--enable-auto-tool-choice --tool-call-parser qwen3_xml --reasoning-parser qwen3`, and in SGLang `--tool-call-parser qwen3_coder --reasoning-parser qwen3`, so tool calls and reasoning come back parsed
4. Thinking is on by default. Send `chat_template_kwargs` with `enable_thinking` false for short tasks, a switch the card doesn't mention
5. Pin which template your runtime loads, since chat_template.jinja keeps earlier reasoning and the tokenizer_config.json template drops it
6. Use temperature 0.6, top_p 0.95, top_k 20 for coding and temperature 1.0 for general tasks, as the card recommends
7. Add mmproj-Ornith-1.5-122B-BF16.gguf (0.9 GB) for image input in llama.cpp, and validate JSON output yourself, since structured output isn't documented

### Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2

1. Quickest start is `llama-server -hf Jackrong/Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2-GGUF:Q4_K_M --jinja`, about 17 GB, and add mmproj-F32.gguf for images
2. The card's tests used Q5_K_M with the bundled MTP head and `--spec-type draft-mtp` in llama.cpp
3. The template asks for tool calls as JSON inside tool_call tags, so use a Hermes-style parser (vLLM's hermes), not Qwen3.8's qwen3_coder
4. For coding the card recommends enable_thinking true, reasoning_effort xhigh and temperature 0.3, which you must pass yourself, since generation_config.json says 1.0
5. reasoning_effort takes xhigh (default), medium or low, and any other value makes the template raise an error
6. Earlier reasoning stays in the context unless preserve_thinking is false
7. Cap max_tokens, since a report says it loops more than V1

## Questions

### Which is better for AI agents, Ornith-1.5-122B or Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2?

Ornith-1.5-122B and Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 score within a point of each other on agent readiness, 61 (C) and 61 (C). Qwopus3.8-27B-Flash-V2 leads on reach and documentation and upkeep.


## For agents

- This comparison as JSON: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/ornith-1-5-122b-vs-qwopus3-8-27b-flash-v2.json, and with the fewest tokens: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/ornith-1-5-122b-vs-qwopus3-8-27b-flash-v2.min.md
- Over MCP at https://www.anchorterminal.com/mcp (no key): `compare_tools {"a": "ornith-1-5-122b", "b": "qwopus3-8-27b-flash-v2"}`. From a terminal: `anchor compare ornith-1-5-122b qwopus3-8-27b-flash-v2`
- Each listing in full: https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/ornith-1-5-122b.json and https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/qwopus3-8-27b-flash-v2.json

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