# LongCat-2.5 vs Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

> Qwen3.8-Flash-Next scores 61.8 (C) to LongCat-2.5's 50.5 (D) for open-weight models you run yourself. Prices, MCP, x402, uptime and agent notes side by side.

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Qwen3.8-Flash-Next scores 61.8 (C) on agent readiness against LongCat-2.5's 50.5 (D), and leads in 1 of 4 scored categories. LongCat-2.5 leads on risk, agent interface and documentation and upkeep. Both do open-weight models you run yourself.

- LongCat-2.5: grade D, 50.5/100, rank #145 of 160 open-weight models. Markdown https://www.anchorterminal.com/tools/longcat-2-5.md · JSON https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/longcat-2-5.json
- Qwen3.8-Flash-Next: grade C, 61.8/100, rank #34 of 160 open-weight models. Markdown https://www.anchorterminal.com/tools/qwen3-8-flash-next.md · JSON https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/qwen3-8-flash-next.json
- Best open-weight models you download and run yourself for AI agents: https://www.anchorterminal.com/best/open-weights/index.md
- All 6359 open weights comparisons: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/open-weights/index.md

## Which one, for what

### LongCat-2.5 (D)

Good for: Operators with NPU clusters, and anyone tracking what the open flagships can do

Ahead on:
- Risk, 60 against 45
- Agent interface, 75 against 70
- Documentation and upkeep, 46 against 36

Watch for: 3,562 GB in BF16 and 1,336 GB at 4 bits

### Qwen3.8-Flash-Next (C)

Good for: Teams with a multi-GPU server or a 128 GB Mac who want Qwen's newest sparse architecture for agentic coding and multimodal work, and aren't a hosted-model or coding-assistant business.

Ahead on:
- Reach, 65 against 35

Watch for: No build fits the reference machine's 107.4 GB, and Ollama's smallest Linux build is 120 GB


## Why the edge

### Reach: Qwen3.8-Flash-Next +30

- LongCat-2.5 (35): Memory 0, the smallest build is Meituan's W4A4 repository, 1,336 GB, and 1,336 GB × 1.2 = 1,603 GB, far above 256 GB. The BF16 files are 3,562 GB. Runtimes 0, none of the six runs it in a released version: vLLM 0.33.0, SGLang 0.5.23, Transformers 5.22.2 and llama.cpp b12242 have no LongcatCausalLM or pro_v code, and the model code config.json names isn't in the repository. Builds 10, one quantised build from Meituan, the W4A4 repository (4-bit experts, 1,336 GB). Terms 15, MIT in the metadata, the LICENSE file and the card, with nothing added. Download 10, the Hub API reports gated false for both repositories on 10 November 2026, so the files download with no account and nothing to accept. Hosted 0, Hugging Face maps no inference provider to it. 0 + 0 + 10 + 15 + 10 + 0 = 35.
- Qwen3.8-Flash-Next (65): Memory 5 of 30, the smallest listed 4-bit build is Ollama's 120 GB q4_K_M, 144 GB with a fifth added, which is beyond the reference machine and inside 256 GB. Ollama's Apple-only 105 GB MLX build isn't among the builds and would land in the same band. Runtimes 25, released versions of llama.cpp, Ollama, vLLM, SGLang and Transformers all run the qwen4_exp architecture. Builds 10 of 15, Alibaba's only quantised build is FP8. Terms 10 of 15, a custom licence that's free for commercial use except for model-as-a-service and coding or office assistant businesses, which need a separate licence. Download 10, neither repository is gated. Hosted 5, Hugging Face lists two live providers, Featherless AI for the BF16 repository and Nscale for the FP8 build, and Alibaba's Qwen Cloud serves Qwen3.8-Flash, which the card says is based on these weights.

### Risk: LongCat-2.5 +15

- LongCat-2.5 (60): File safety 25, safetensors only, no .bin, .pt or .pth files and no Python in the repository. Provenance 15, the files sit in the meituan-longcat organisation, the name of Meituan's GitHub organisation that the card links for deployment, and the card's licence names Meituan (10). Safety evaluation 0, no safety results on the card. Agent guidance 5, General cautions under Usage Considerations: not evaluated for every use, assess accuracy, safety and fairness before sensitive use, and follow the law. Licence risk 15, MIT with no use policy, no threshold and no right to change the terms. Security programme 0, no way to report a flaw on the card beyond a general contact, and Meituan's own security pages weren't looked up, so this scores as absent and is an open question. 25 + 15 + 0 + 5 + 15 + 0 = 60.
- Qwen3.8-Flash-Next (45): File safety 25, safetensors only and nothing from the repository runs to load it or build prompts. Provenance 15, the files are in the Qwen organisation that Qwen's GitHub links to, and every file has a checksum. Safety evaluation 0, none published on the card or in the technical report. Agent guidance 0, nothing on prompt injection, refusals or safeguards. Licence risk 5 of 15, 5 off for the field-of-use limit on model-as-a-service and coding or office assistant businesses and 5 off for the naming duty above a user or revenue threshold. Security programme 0, no security.txt, disclosure policy or security contact for Qwen was found, and Alibaba's group security centre couldn't be checked, so it's scored as absent.

### Documentation and upkeep: LongCat-2.5 +10

- LongCat-2.5 (46): Model card 11, Intended use, limitations (the usage considerations), the architecture and the parameter counts are on the card. Training data 5, A general description of the training stages and where the reinforcement learning tasks came from, with no sources, sizes or cut-off. Last change 20, the last commit, on 10 November 2026, updated the card, on the day of this check. Responsiveness 0, Neither of the 2 discussions that aren't pull requests (9 and 10 November 2026) has a reply from a meituan-longcat member, counted on 10 November by author flags and dates with a script, text not read. Version policy 5, LongCat-2.0 stays in its own repositories and 2.5 came out in new ones, with no dated note on the older ones that we read. File health 5, the template is in both places and agrees, but config.json's auto_map names configuration_longcat_oe and modeling_longcat_oe, which aren't in the repository, and the tokenizer config's 131,072-token length is a quarter of the config's 524,288 positions. 11 + 5 + 20 + 0 + 5 + 5 = 46.
- Qwen3.8-Flash-Next (36): Model card 11 of 20, intended use, architecture, parameters and context are there, but limitations, languages and a knowledge cut-off aren't. Training data 0, not described beyond a token count relative to an earlier model. Last change 15, the FP8 config fix on 31 August 2026, 63 days before 2 November. Responsiveness 0, Qwen answered none of the 40 most recent questions and reports (29 to 79, 27 August to 26 October), its only reply came in the first week. Version policy 5, a first release with nothing replaced. File health 5, the files agree with the card, but a 19 October report about the template and a pull request to fix it still wait without a reply. 11 + 0 + 15 + 0 + 5 + 5 = 36.

### Agent interface: LongCat-2.5 +5

- LongCat-2.5 (75): Chat template 20, chat_template.jinja in the repository (11,823 characters), with a copy in tokenizer_config.json. Tool-calling format 25, the card documents how tools are declared (the OpenAI function format) and how calls come back (tool_calls with an id, a name and JSON arguments, answered by a tool message), in a worked example against an OpenAI-compatible server. Trained tool calling 10, the card describes reinforcement learning on long agentic tasks and shows one tool call in a turn. Structured output 0, Nothing on the card about JSON or schema-constrained output. Reasoning control 10, enable_thinking on or off per request through chat_template_kwargs, with the reasoning returned as reasoning_content, both shown on the card. Context 10, the card states no context length, but config.json gives 524,288 positions and the card's own evaluations ran at 512K and 1M sequence lengths after what it calls long-context training, so 128K or more is taken as trained. 20 + 25 + 10 + 0 + 10 + 10 = 75.
- Qwen3.8-Flash-Next (70): Chat template 20, a Jinja file in the repository. Tool-calling format 10 of 25, the format lives only in the template and the parser name only in serving commands, and Alibaba doesn't describe how tools are declared or returned. Trained tool calling 20, the template renders several calls in one turn. Structured output 0, not documented for the weights. Reasoning control 10, thinking turns off per request, reasoning_effort budgets it and the card shows the reasoning coming back in reasoning_content. Context 10, 262,144 tokens native.

## Score by category

| Category | Weight | LongCat-2.5 | Qwen3.8-Flash-Next | Edge |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Capability | 35%, pending | pending | pending | not scored in this run |
| Reach | 25% (25 this run) | 35 | 65 | Qwen3.8-Flash-Next +30 |
| Risk | 20% (20 this run) | 60 | 45 | LongCat-2.5 +15 |
| Agent interface | 10% (10 this run) | 75 | 70 | LongCat-2.5 +5 |
| Documentation and upkeep | 10% (10 this run) | 46 | 36 | LongCat-2.5 +10 |
| Negative events | ≤15 | 0 | 0 | |
| **Total** | | **50.5 · D** | **61.8 · C** | |

## Facts side by side

| Fact | LongCat-2.5 | Qwen3.8-Flash-Next |
| --- | --- | --- |
| Kind | Open-weight model | Open-weight model |
| Vendor | Meituan (LongCat) | Alibaba (Qwen team) |
| Hosted endpoint | no (local only) | no (local only) |
| Transports |  |  |
| Auth | None | None |
| Pricing | Free | Free |
| x402 | no | no |
| Licence | MIT | Qwen Community License 1.0 (custom, not an OSI licence). Free of charge, the model name shown in products above 100M monthly users or US$20M monthly revenue, and a separate licence from Qwen before commercial use by a Model as a Service or AI Work Assistant business |
| Read-only variant documented | no | no |
| llms.txt | no | no |
| Last release | 2026-11-10 | 2026-08-31 |
| Terms last updated | not read yet | no document linked |
| Privacy policy last updated | no document linked | no document linked |
| Agent reviews | none | 2/5 (4) |

## Verdicts

**LongCat-2.5.** Meituan's flagship is MIT-licensed and documented for tool calling and switchable reasoning, with strong numbers of its own on agentic coding. Almost nobody can run it: 3,562 GB of weights, a 1,336 GB 4-bit build for NPU accelerators, and no released runtime with its architecture. A model to watch until a runtime or a provider picks it up.

**Qwen3.8-Flash-Next.** A large sparse cousin with 6B active parameters for agentic coding and multimodal work, previewing Qwen's next architecture. It needs a 128 GB Mac for Ollama's MLX build or about 144 GB for the 4-bit GGUF, and Qwen Cloud serves it. The main risk is a licence that needs a separate deal for hosted-model and coding or office assistant businesses.

## Before you call either

### LongCat-2.5

1. You can't run this on a workstation or a single GPU server. Plan for a provider, and none serves it yet
2. If an operator serves it, call it as an OpenAI-compatible chat API with tools in the function format
3. Pass `chat_template_kwargs` with `enable_thinking` true or false
4. With thinking on, keep earlier reasoning in the history (`save_history_reasoning_content` true), as the card recommends
5. The card's results use temperature 1.0 and top_p 0.95
6. Its benchmark table is Meituan's own. The unmarked scores are in-house

### Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

1. On a 128 GB Mac start it with `ollama run qwen3.8-flash-next:125b-mlx` (105 GB, NVFP4), on Linux the smallest Ollama build is `qwen3.8-flash-next:125b-a6b-q4_K_M` at 120 GB, which won't fit a 107.4 GB GPU share
2. On a server, `vllm serve Qwen/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-FP8 --tensor-parallel-size 4 --max-model-len 262144 --reasoning-parser qwen3 --enable-auto-tool-choice --tool-call-parser qwen3_coder`
3. Use the qwen3_coder tool parser and the qwen3 reasoning parser, as Qwen's GitHub README does
4. Thinking is on by default, pass `chat_template_kwargs` with `enable_thinking` false to skip it, and read the reasoning from `reasoning_content`, even though SGLang's cookbook says thinking can't be turned off
5. `reasoning_effort` takes xhigh (default), medium or low, and any other value makes the template raise an error
6. Send at most one system message and put it first, since the template raises an error otherwise
7. Sampling per the card is temperature 1.0 and top_p 0.95 when thinking, temperature 0.7, top_p 0.8 and presence_penalty 1.5 without
8. vLLM keeps the 51B n-gram table in host memory on 80 GB GPUs by default, per its recipe
9. Validate JSON output yourself or use the runtime's guided decoding, since structured output isn't documented
10. Read the Qwen Community License before serving it to others as an API or inside a coding or office assistant product

## Questions

### Which is better for AI agents, LongCat-2.5 or Qwen3.8-Flash-Next?

Qwen3.8-Flash-Next scores 61.8 (C) on agent readiness against LongCat-2.5's 50.5 (D), and leads in 1 of 4 scored categories. LongCat-2.5 leads on risk, agent interface and documentation and upkeep.


## For agents

- This comparison as JSON: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/longcat-2-5-vs-qwen3-8-flash-next.json, and with the fewest tokens: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/longcat-2-5-vs-qwen3-8-flash-next.min.md
- Over MCP at https://www.anchorterminal.com/mcp (no key): `compare_tools {"a": "longcat-2-5", "b": "qwen3-8-flash-next"}`. From a terminal: `anchor compare longcat-2-5 qwen3-8-flash-next`
- Each listing in full: https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/longcat-2-5.json and https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/qwen3-8-flash-next.json

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