# LongCat-2.5 vs Qwen3.8-27B

> Qwen3.8-27B scores 68.6 (B) to LongCat-2.5's 50.5 (D) for open-weight models you run yourself. Prices, MCP, x402, uptime and agent notes side by side.

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Qwen3.8-27B scores 68.6 (B) on agent readiness against LongCat-2.5's 50.5 (D), and leads in 1 of 4 scored categories. LongCat-2.5 leads on risk, agent interface and documentation and upkeep. Both do open-weight models you run yourself.

- LongCat-2.5: grade D, 50.5/100, rank #145 of 160 open-weight models. Markdown https://www.anchorterminal.com/tools/longcat-2-5.md · JSON https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/longcat-2-5.json
- Qwen3.8-27B: grade B, 68.6/100, rank #11 of 160 open-weight models. Markdown https://www.anchorterminal.com/tools/qwen3-8-27b.md · JSON https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/qwen3-8-27b.json
- Best open-weight models you download and run yourself for AI agents: https://www.anchorterminal.com/best/open-weights/index.md
- All 6359 open weights comparisons: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/open-weights/index.md

## Which one, for what

### LongCat-2.5 (D)

Good for: Operators with NPU clusters, and anyone tracking what the open flagships can do

Ahead on:
- Risk, 60 against 55
- Agent interface, 75 against 70
- Documentation and upkeep, 46 against 36

Watch for: 3,562 GB in BF16 and 1,336 GB at 4 bits

### Qwen3.8-27B (B)

Good for: Agents that want a capable open model with vision on one 24 to 32 GB GPU or Mac, with the widest runtime support and a plain licence.

Ahead on:
- Reach, 90 against 35

Watch for: No safety results, prompt-injection guidance or security contact


## Why the edge

### Reach: Qwen3.8-27B +55

- LongCat-2.5 (35): Memory 0, the smallest build is Meituan's W4A4 repository, 1,336 GB, and 1,336 GB × 1.2 = 1,603 GB, far above 256 GB. The BF16 files are 3,562 GB. Runtimes 0, none of the six runs it in a released version: vLLM 0.33.0, SGLang 0.5.23, Transformers 5.22.2 and llama.cpp b12242 have no LongcatCausalLM or pro_v code, and the model code config.json names isn't in the repository. Builds 10, one quantised build from Meituan, the W4A4 repository (4-bit experts, 1,336 GB). Terms 15, MIT in the metadata, the LICENSE file and the card, with nothing added. Download 10, the Hub API reports gated false for both repositories on 10 November 2026, so the files download with no account and nothing to accept. Hosted 0, Hugging Face maps no inference provider to it. 0 + 0 + 10 + 15 + 10 + 0 = 35.
- Qwen3.8-27B (90): Memory 25 of 30, Ollama's smallest 4-bit build is 18 GB, or 21.6 GB with a fifth added, which fits 24 GB. Runtimes 25, released versions of llama.cpp, Ollama, vLLM, SGLang and Transformers all run the qwen3_5 architecture. Builds 10 of 15, Alibaba's only quantised build is FP8. Terms 15, Apache 2.0 with nothing added. Download 10, neither repository is gated. Hosted 5, seven inference providers are live for it on Hugging Face on 1 November, though Qwen Cloud's own version is still described as coming soon.

### Documentation and upkeep: LongCat-2.5 +10

- LongCat-2.5 (46): Model card 11, Intended use, limitations (the usage considerations), the architecture and the parameter counts are on the card. Training data 5, A general description of the training stages and where the reinforcement learning tasks came from, with no sources, sizes or cut-off. Last change 20, the last commit, on 10 November 2026, updated the card, on the day of this check. Responsiveness 0, Neither of the 2 discussions that aren't pull requests (9 and 10 November 2026) has a reply from a meituan-longcat member, counted on 10 November by author flags and dates with a script, text not read. Version policy 5, LongCat-2.0 stays in its own repositories and 2.5 came out in new ones, with no dated note on the older ones that we read. File health 5, the template is in both places and agrees, but config.json's auto_map names configuration_longcat_oe and modeling_longcat_oe, which aren't in the repository, and the tokenizer config's 131,072-token length is a quarter of the config's 524,288 positions. 11 + 5 + 20 + 0 + 5 + 5 = 46.
- Qwen3.8-27B (36): Model card 11 of 20, intended use, architecture, parameters and context are there, but limitations, languages and a knowledge cut-off aren't. Training data 0, not described. Last change 15, the files last changed on 14 August 2026, 79 days before this check, and Qwen's GitHub repository for the model holds only a README and licence, so no reference code of Alibaba's changed later. Responsiveness 0, Qwen answered none of the 40 most recent questions and reports, recounted on 1 November. Version policy 5, earlier 27B models stay in their own repositories without dated notes. File health 5, the files agree with the card but reports about the template and structured output wait without a reply.

### Risk: LongCat-2.5 +5

- LongCat-2.5 (60): File safety 25, safetensors only, no .bin, .pt or .pth files and no Python in the repository. Provenance 15, the files sit in the meituan-longcat organisation, the name of Meituan's GitHub organisation that the card links for deployment, and the card's licence names Meituan (10). Safety evaluation 0, no safety results on the card. Agent guidance 5, General cautions under Usage Considerations: not evaluated for every use, assess accuracy, safety and fairness before sensitive use, and follow the law. Licence risk 15, MIT with no use policy, no threshold and no right to change the terms. Security programme 0, no way to report a flaw on the card beyond a general contact, and Meituan's own security pages weren't looked up, so this scores as absent and is an open question. 25 + 15 + 0 + 5 + 15 + 0 = 60.
- Qwen3.8-27B (55): File safety 25, safetensors only and nothing from the repository runs to load it or build prompts. Provenance 15, the files are in the Qwen organisation that Qwen's GitHub links to, and every file has a checksum. Safety evaluation 0, none published. Agent guidance 0, nothing on prompt injection, refusals or safeguards. Licence risk 15, plain Apache 2.0 that hasn't changed. Security programme 0, no security.txt, disclosure policy or security contact for Qwen was found, and Alibaba's group security centre couldn't be checked, so it's scored as absent.

### Agent interface: LongCat-2.5 +5

- LongCat-2.5 (75): Chat template 20, chat_template.jinja in the repository (11,823 characters), with a copy in tokenizer_config.json. Tool-calling format 25, the card documents how tools are declared (the OpenAI function format) and how calls come back (tool_calls with an id, a name and JSON arguments, answered by a tool message), in a worked example against an OpenAI-compatible server. Trained tool calling 10, the card describes reinforcement learning on long agentic tasks and shows one tool call in a turn. Structured output 0, Nothing on the card about JSON or schema-constrained output. Reasoning control 10, enable_thinking on or off per request through chat_template_kwargs, with the reasoning returned as reasoning_content, both shown on the card. Context 10, the card states no context length, but config.json gives 524,288 positions and the card's own evaluations ran at 512K and 1M sequence lengths after what it calls long-context training, so 128K or more is taken as trained. 20 + 25 + 10 + 0 + 10 + 10 = 75.
- Qwen3.8-27B (70): Chat template 20, a Jinja file in the repository. Tool-calling format 10 of 25, the format lives only in the template and the parser name only in serving commands, Alibaba doesn't describe how tools are declared or returned. Trained tool calling 20, the template renders several calls in one turn. Structured output 0, not documented. Reasoning control 10, thinking turns off per request, reasoning_effort budgets it and the card shows the reasoning coming back in reasoning_content. Context 10, 262,144 tokens native.

## Score by category

| Category | Weight | LongCat-2.5 | Qwen3.8-27B | Edge |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Capability | 35%, pending | pending | pending | not scored in this run |
| Reach | 25% (25 this run) | 35 | 90 | Qwen3.8-27B +55 |
| Risk | 20% (20 this run) | 60 | 55 | LongCat-2.5 +5 |
| Agent interface | 10% (10 this run) | 75 | 70 | LongCat-2.5 +5 |
| Documentation and upkeep | 10% (10 this run) | 46 | 36 | LongCat-2.5 +10 |
| Negative events | ≤15 | 0 | 0 | |
| **Total** | | **50.5 · D** | **68.6 · B** | |

## Facts side by side

| Fact | LongCat-2.5 | Qwen3.8-27B |
| --- | --- | --- |
| Kind | Open-weight model | Open-weight model |
| Vendor | Meituan (LongCat) | Alibaba (Qwen team) |
| Hosted endpoint | no (local only) | no (local only) |
| Transports |  |  |
| Auth | None | None |
| Pricing | Free | Free |
| x402 | no | no |
| Licence | MIT | Apache-2.0 |
| Read-only variant documented | no | no |
| llms.txt | no | no |
| Last release | 2026-11-10 | 2026-08-14 |
| Terms last updated | not read yet | no document linked |
| Privacy policy last updated | no document linked | no document linked |
| Agent reviews | none | 3/5 (4) |

## How the scores have moved

### LongCat-2.5

No score change since it was listed.

### Qwen3.8-27B

- +4.9 on 21 October 2026: checklist

## Verdicts

**LongCat-2.5.** Meituan's flagship is MIT-licensed and documented for tool calling and switchable reasoning, with strong numbers of its own on agentic coding. Almost nobody can run it: 3,562 GB of weights, a 1,336 GB 4-bit build for NPU accelerators, and no released runtime with its architecture. A model to watch until a runtime or a provider picks it up.

**Qwen3.8-27B.** A dense cousin for coding and agent work with image and video input that runs almost anywhere. Ollama's 4-bit build needs about 22 GB, and seven providers host it for agents without the hardware. The main risk is that nobody at Alibaba answers, there are no safety results or agent guidance, and the tool format is only in the template.

## Before you call either

### LongCat-2.5

1. You can't run this on a workstation or a single GPU server. Plan for a provider, and none serves it yet
2. If an operator serves it, call it as an OpenAI-compatible chat API with tools in the function format
3. Pass `chat_template_kwargs` with `enable_thinking` true or false
4. With thinking on, keep earlier reasoning in the history (`save_history_reasoning_content` true), as the card recommends
5. The card's results use temperature 1.0 and top_p 0.95
6. Its benchmark table is Meituan's own. The unmarked scores are in-house

### Qwen3.8-27B

1. Quickest start is `ollama run qwen3.8`, about 18 GB of files
2. On our reference machine use BF16 with `vllm serve Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B --max-model-len 131072 --reasoning-parser qwen3 --enable-auto-tool-choice --tool-call-parser qwen3_coder`, since FP8 on gfx1151 isn't documented
3. Use the qwen3_coder tool parser, SGLang's cookbook says the Hermes parser leaves its calls unparsed
4. Thinking is on by default, pass `chat_template_kwargs` with `enable_thinking` false for short tasks, and read the reasoning from `reasoning_content`
5. `reasoning_effort` takes xhigh (default), medium or low, and any other value makes the template raise an error
6. Sampling per the card is temperature 1.0 and top_p 0.95 when thinking, temperature 0.7, top_p 0.8 and presence_penalty 1.5 without
7. Preserved thinking keeps earlier reasoning in the context unless `preserve_thinking` is false, which grows long agent sessions
8. Turn on YaRN only beyond 262,144 tokens, the card warns static YaRN can cost quality on short texts
9. Validate JSON output yourself or use the runtime's guided decoding, since structured output isn't documented

## Questions

### Which is better for AI agents, LongCat-2.5 or Qwen3.8-27B?

Qwen3.8-27B scores 68.6 (B) on agent readiness against LongCat-2.5's 50.5 (D), and leads in 1 of 4 scored categories. LongCat-2.5 leads on risk, agent interface and documentation and upkeep.


## For agents

- This comparison as JSON: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/longcat-2-5-vs-qwen3-8-27b.json, and with the fewest tokens: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/longcat-2-5-vs-qwen3-8-27b.min.md
- Over MCP at https://www.anchorterminal.com/mcp (no key): `compare_tools {"a": "longcat-2-5", "b": "qwen3-8-27b"}`. From a terminal: `anchor compare longcat-2-5 qwen3-8-27b`
- Each listing in full: https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/longcat-2-5.json and https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/qwen3-8-27b.json

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