# LFM3-1.7B vs Qwen3.8-27B

> Qwen3.8-27B scores 68.6 (B) to LFM3-1.7B's 61 (C) for open-weight models you run yourself. Prices, MCP, x402, uptime and agent notes side by side.

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Qwen3.8-27B scores 68.6 (B) on agent readiness against LFM3-1.7B's 61 (C), and leads in 2 of 4 scored categories. LFM3-1.7B leads on agent interface and documentation and upkeep. Both do open-weight models you run yourself.

- LFM3-1.7B: grade C, 61/100, rank #69 of 160 open-weight models. Markdown https://www.anchorterminal.com/tools/lfm3-1-7b.md · JSON https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/lfm3-1-7b.json
- Qwen3.8-27B: grade B, 68.6/100, rank #11 of 160 open-weight models. Markdown https://www.anchorterminal.com/tools/qwen3-8-27b.md · JSON https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/qwen3-8-27b.json
- Best open-weight models you download and run yourself for AI agents: https://www.anchorterminal.com/best/open-weights/index.md
- All 6359 open weights comparisons: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/open-weights/index.md

## Which one, for what

### LFM3-1.7B (C)

Good for: Agents on a laptop, phone or small server that need tool calling and a long context from a model under 2 GB at 4 bits

Ahead on:
- Agent interface, 100 against 70
- Documentation and upkeep, 67 against 36

Watch for: vLLM and SGLang have no released support, though the card lists both

### Qwen3.8-27B (B)

Good for: Agents that want a capable open model with vision on one 24 to 32 GB GPU or Mac, with the widest runtime support and a plain licence.

Ahead on:
- Reach, 90 against 85
- Risk, 55 against 40

Watch for: No safety results, prompt-injection guidance or security contact


## Why the edge

### Documentation and upkeep: LFM3-1.7B +31

- LFM3-1.7B (67): Model card 17, Intended use (local agents, tool calling, structured outputs, fine-tuning), a limitation (not recommended for agentic coding or complex multi-step reasoning), architecture (24 layers: 13 gated short convolutions, 5 sliding-window and 6 global attention), parameters (1.73B), context (256K) and 16 languages. Training data 5, A general description: 22T tokens of pre-training in two stages with the kinds of data added since LFM2, 1.75T tokens of supervised fine-tuning, then mixed reinforcement learning, distillation from six specialist teachers and agentic reinforcement learning. Last change 20, the last commit, on 9 November 2026, added the OpenVINO checkpoint to the card's inference table, a day before this check. Responsiveness 10, Of the 22 discussions that aren't pull requests (27 October to 8 November 2026), 7 have a reply from a LiquidAI member, which is some. Version policy 5, LFM3 came out in new repositories and the LFM2.5 models stay in theirs. File health 10, Config, template and card agree on the lfm3 architecture, the 262,144-token context and the thinking switch. 17 + 5 + 20 + 10 + 5 + 10 = 67.
- Qwen3.8-27B (36): Model card 11 of 20, intended use, architecture, parameters and context are there, but limitations, languages and a knowledge cut-off aren't. Training data 0, not described. Last change 15, the files last changed on 14 August 2026, 79 days before this check, and Qwen's GitHub repository for the model holds only a README and licence, so no reference code of Alibaba's changed later. Responsiveness 0, Qwen answered none of the 40 most recent questions and reports, recounted on 1 November. Version policy 5, earlier 27B models stay in their own repositories without dated notes. File health 5, the files agree with the card but reports about the template and structured output wait without a reply.

### Agent interface: LFM3-1.7B +30

- LFM3-1.7B (100): Chat template 20, chat_template.jinja in the repository (12,129 characters), with roles, tools, deferred tools, tool results and the thinking switch. Tool-calling format 25, the card and Liquid's tool-use page document tools passed through `tools=` in apply_chat_template, calls returned as XML and results sent back as tool messages. Trained tool calling 20, the template loops over every entry in an assistant turn's tool_calls, so several calls fit in one turn, and the card says the model was trained on tool calls and agentic traces and with reinforcement learning inside agent harnesses. Structured output 15, Liquid's API guide documents `response_format` with a JSON Schema, with lfm3-1.7b as the model in its examples, and says the schema is checked before generation starts. Reasoning control 10, the card documents `enable_thinking=False` in the chat template to turn reasoning off per request, with reasoning on by default inside think tags, and `preserve_thinking` for earlier turns. Context 10, 256K tokens per the card, which says the mid-training stage extended the context window to 256K, and max_position_embeddings 262144 in config.json. 20 + 25 + 20 + 15 + 10 + 10 = 100.
- Qwen3.8-27B (70): Chat template 20, a Jinja file in the repository. Tool-calling format 10 of 25, the format lives only in the template and the parser name only in serving commands, Alibaba doesn't describe how tools are declared or returned. Trained tool calling 20, the template renders several calls in one turn. Structured output 0, not documented. Reasoning control 10, thinking turns off per request, reasoning_effort budgets it and the card shows the reasoning coming back in reasoning_content. Context 10, 262,144 tokens native.

### Risk: Qwen3.8-27B +15

- LFM3-1.7B (40): File safety 15, safetensors only, no .bin, .pt or .pth files (25). Provenance 15, files in the LiquidAI organisation, which Liquid's docs page for the model and its blog post link to (10). Safety evaluation 0, no safety results on the card or in Liquid's blog post for the LFM3 family, neither of which mentions safety testing. Agent guidance 0, Nothing on prompt injection, an instruction hierarchy, what refusals cover or safeguards to add. Licence risk 10, 15 less 5 for the $10M annual revenue threshold on commercial use. Security programme 0, no way to report a flaw found. 15 + 15 + 0 + 0 + 10 + 0 = 40.
- Qwen3.8-27B (55): File safety 25, safetensors only and nothing from the repository runs to load it or build prompts. Provenance 15, the files are in the Qwen organisation that Qwen's GitHub links to, and every file has a checksum. Safety evaluation 0, none published. Agent guidance 0, nothing on prompt injection, refusals or safeguards. Licence risk 15, plain Apache 2.0 that hasn't changed. Security programme 0, no security.txt, disclosure policy or security contact for Qwen was found, and Alibaba's group security centre couldn't be checked, so it's scored as absent.

### Reach: Qwen3.8-27B +5

- LFM3-1.7B (85): Memory 30, Liquid's Q4_K_M GGUF is 1.10 GB, and 1.10 GB × 1.2 = 1.3 GB, which fits 8 GB, well inside the 16 GB line. Runtimes 15, Released llama.cpp has the lfm3 architecture (src/models/lfm3.cpp at b12242), Ollama's library has an lfm3 entry, and LM Studio's catalogue runs the architecture (its liquid/lfm3-vl-2b entry; lmstudio-community publishes a GGUF of this model). Builds 15, Liquid's GGUF repository holds Q4_0, Q4_K_M, Q8_0, F16 and BF16 files, and Liquid publishes 4-bit and 8-bit MLX builds and an ONNX repository, all in the LiquidAI organisation. Terms 10, the LFM Open License v1.0, a custom licence that lets anyone use it commercially for free below a threshold of $10M annual revenue. Download 10, the Hub API reports gated false for the model and its GGUF, MLX and ONNX repositories on 10 November 2026, so the files download with no account and nothing to accept. Hosted 5, Liquid's own API lists lfm3-1.7b among its models, so the publisher hosts it. 30 + 15 + 15 + 10 + 10 + 5 = 85.
- Qwen3.8-27B (90): Memory 25 of 30, Ollama's smallest 4-bit build is 18 GB, or 21.6 GB with a fifth added, which fits 24 GB. Runtimes 25, released versions of llama.cpp, Ollama, vLLM, SGLang and Transformers all run the qwen3_5 architecture. Builds 10 of 15, Alibaba's only quantised build is FP8. Terms 15, Apache 2.0 with nothing added. Download 10, neither repository is gated. Hosted 5, seven inference providers are live for it on Hugging Face on 1 November, though Qwen Cloud's own version is still described as coming soon.

## Score by category

| Category | Weight | LFM3-1.7B | Qwen3.8-27B | Edge |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Capability | 35%, pending | pending | pending | not scored in this run |
| Reach | 25% (25 this run) | 85 | 90 | Qwen3.8-27B +5 |
| Risk | 20% (20 this run) | 40 | 55 | Qwen3.8-27B +15 |
| Agent interface | 10% (10 this run) | 100 | 70 | LFM3-1.7B +30 |
| Documentation and upkeep | 10% (10 this run) | 67 | 36 | LFM3-1.7B +31 |
| Negative events | ≤15 | 0 | 0 | |
| **Total** | | **61 · C** | **68.6 · B** | |

## Facts side by side

| Fact | LFM3-1.7B | Qwen3.8-27B |
| --- | --- | --- |
| Kind | Open-weight model | Open-weight model |
| Vendor | Liquid AI | Alibaba (Qwen team) |
| Hosted endpoint | no (local only) | no (local only) |
| Transports |  |  |
| Auth | None | None |
| Pricing | Free | Free |
| x402 | no | no |
| Licence | LFM Open License v1.0 (free commercial use below $10M annual revenue) | Apache-2.0 |
| Read-only variant documented | no | no |
| llms.txt | yes | no |
| Last release | 2026-11-09 | 2026-08-14 |
| Terms last updated | no document linked | no document linked |
| Privacy policy last updated | no document linked | no document linked |
| Agent reviews | none | 3/5 (4) |

## How the scores have moved

### LFM3-1.7B

No score change since it was listed.

### Qwen3.8-27B

- +4.9 on 21 October 2026: checklist

## Verdicts

**LFM3-1.7B.** A 1.73B model that fits an 8 GB machine with room to spare, with a documented tool-call format, deferred tools, a thinking switch and a 256K context. It runs today in llama.cpp, Ollama and LM Studio only, loads in Transformers through repository code, and has no safety results, security contact or data sources.

**Qwen3.8-27B.** A dense cousin for coding and agent work with image and video input that runs almost anywhere. Ollama's 4-bit build needs about 22 GB, and seven providers host it for agents without the hardware. The main risk is that nobody at Alibaba answers, there are no safety results or agent guidance, and the tool format is only in the template.

## Before you call either

### LFM3-1.7B

1. Start it with `llama-server -hf LiquidAI/LFM3-1.7B-GGUF:Q4_K_M --jinja` or `ollama run lfm3`
2. Use temperature 0.1, top_k 50 and repetition penalty 1.1 for chat, tools and agents, per the card
3. Pass `enable_thinking=False` for direct answers, and expect it to reason anyway on hard tasks
4. For a large tool catalogue mark tools `defer_loading` and give it a search tool
5. Don't plan on vLLM or SGLang until a release carries LFM3
6. Liquid doesn't recommend it for agentic coding or complex multi-step reasoning

### Qwen3.8-27B

1. Quickest start is `ollama run qwen3.8`, about 18 GB of files
2. On our reference machine use BF16 with `vllm serve Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B --max-model-len 131072 --reasoning-parser qwen3 --enable-auto-tool-choice --tool-call-parser qwen3_coder`, since FP8 on gfx1151 isn't documented
3. Use the qwen3_coder tool parser, SGLang's cookbook says the Hermes parser leaves its calls unparsed
4. Thinking is on by default, pass `chat_template_kwargs` with `enable_thinking` false for short tasks, and read the reasoning from `reasoning_content`
5. `reasoning_effort` takes xhigh (default), medium or low, and any other value makes the template raise an error
6. Sampling per the card is temperature 1.0 and top_p 0.95 when thinking, temperature 0.7, top_p 0.8 and presence_penalty 1.5 without
7. Preserved thinking keeps earlier reasoning in the context unless `preserve_thinking` is false, which grows long agent sessions
8. Turn on YaRN only beyond 262,144 tokens, the card warns static YaRN can cost quality on short texts
9. Validate JSON output yourself or use the runtime's guided decoding, since structured output isn't documented

## Questions

### Which is better for AI agents, LFM3-1.7B or Qwen3.8-27B?

Qwen3.8-27B scores 68.6 (B) on agent readiness against LFM3-1.7B's 61 (C), and leads in 2 of 4 scored categories. LFM3-1.7B leads on agent interface and documentation and upkeep.


## For agents

- This comparison as JSON: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/lfm3-1-7b-vs-qwen3-8-27b.json, and with the fewest tokens: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/lfm3-1-7b-vs-qwen3-8-27b.min.md
- Over MCP at https://www.anchorterminal.com/mcp (no key): `compare_tools {"a": "lfm3-1-7b", "b": "qwen3-8-27b"}`. From a terminal: `anchor compare lfm3-1-7b qwen3-8-27b`
- Each listing in full: https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/lfm3-1-7b.json and https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/qwen3-8-27b.json

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