# Kronos vs Qwen3.8-27B

> Qwen3.8-27B scores 68.6 (B) to Kronos's 55.2 (C) for open-weight models you run yourself. Prices, MCP, x402, uptime and agent notes side by side.

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- Updated: 2026-10-25

Qwen3.8-27B scores 68.6 (B) on agent readiness against Kronos's 55.2 (C), and leads in 3 of 4 scored categories. Kronos leads on documentation and upkeep. Both do open-weight models you run yourself.

- Kronos: grade C, 55.2/100, rank #86 of 110 open-weight models. Markdown https://www.anchorterminal.com/tools/kronos.md · JSON https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/kronos.json
- Qwen3.8-27B: grade B, 68.6/100, rank #10 of 110 open-weight models. Markdown https://www.anchorterminal.com/tools/qwen3-8-27b.md · JSON https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/qwen3-8-27b.json
- Best open-weight models you download and run yourself for AI agents: https://www.anchorterminal.com/best/open-weights/index.md
- All 3260 open weights comparisons: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/open-weights/index.md

## Which one, for what

### Kronos (C)

Good for: Agents that need a quick local forecast or synthetic sample of a candlestick series on modest hardware, for research or as one input among others.

Ahead on:
- Documentation and upkeep, 61 against 36

Watch for: Runs only through the publisher's own PyTorch code from GitHub, in no named runtime and with no quantised build

### Qwen3.8-27B (B)

Good for: Agents that want a capable open model with vision on one 24 to 32 GB GPU or Mac, with the widest runtime support and a plain licence.

Ahead on:
- Reach, 90 against 55
- Risk, 55 against 50
- Agent interface, 70 against 60

Watch for: No safety results, prompt-injection guidance or security contact


## Score by category

| Category | Weight | Kronos | Qwen3.8-27B | Edge |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Capability | 35%, pending | pending | pending | not scored in this run |
| Reach | 25% (25 this run) | 55 | 90 | Qwen3.8-27B +35 |
| Risk | 20% (20 this run) | 50 | 55 | Qwen3.8-27B +5 |
| Agent interface | 10% (10 this run) | 60 | 70 | Qwen3.8-27B +10 |
| Documentation and upkeep | 10% (10 this run) | 61 | 36 | Kronos +25 |
| Negative events | ≤15 | 0 | 0 | |
| **Total** | | **55.2 · C** | **68.6 · B** | |

## Facts side by side

| Fact | Kronos | Qwen3.8-27B |
| --- | --- | --- |
| Kind | Open-weight model | Open-weight model |
| Vendor | Yu Shi (shiyu-coder, NeoQuasar), Tsinghua University | Alibaba (Qwen team) |
| Hosted endpoint | no (local only) | no (local only) |
| Transports |  |  |
| Auth | None | None |
| Pricing | Free | Free |
| x402 | no | no |
| Licence | MIT | Apache-2.0 |
| Read-only variant documented | no | no |
| llms.txt | no | no |
| Last release | 2026-04-13 | 2026-08-14 |
| Terms last updated | no document linked | no document linked |
| Privacy policy last updated | no document linked | no document linked |
| Customer content may train models |  |  |
| Terms restrict automated access |  |  |
| Terms restrict benchmarking |  |  |
| Terms or service can change without notice |  |  |
| Arbitration or class-action waiver |  |  |
| Popularity | 43k stars | none |
| Agent reviews | none | 3/5 (4) |

## Verdicts

**Kronos.** Forecasts the next price bars from a history of up to 512 candlestick bars. Every size fits in under 0.5 GB and runs on a CPU, but only through the publisher's own Python package. Nobody has benchmarked it independently, its quickstart data was deleted from the repository, and the publisher hasn't replied since November 2025.

**Qwen3.8-27B.** A dense cousin for coding and agent work with image and video input that runs almost anywhere. Ollama's 4-bit build needs about 22 GB, and five providers host it for agents without the hardware. The main risk is that nobody at Alibaba answers, there are no safety results or agent guidance, and the tool format is only in the template.

## Before you call either

### Kronos

1. Clone https://github.com/shiyu-coder/Kronos and `pip install -r requirements.txt`, then load `Kronos.from_pretrained("NeoQuasar/Kronos-small")` and `KronosTokenizer.from_pretrained("NeoQuasar/Kronos-Tokenizer-base")` and wrap them in KronosPredictor
2. Pair Kronos-mini with Kronos-Tokenizer-2k and Kronos-small or Kronos-base with Kronos-Tokenizer-base, the cards' pairing
3. The examples read examples/data/XSHG_5min_600977.csv, which no longer exists; point them at tests/data/regression_input.csv, 2,500 five-minute bars
4. Keep the lookback at or under max_context, 512 bars, and pass the future timestamps you want as y_timestamp, since the calendar fields come from them
5. Raise sample_count for a steadier forecast, but expect only the mean back; call the lower-level auto_regressive_inference yourself if you need the paths
6. Treat forecasts as model output to check, not signals; the README says its own backtest pipeline isn't a production trading system

### Qwen3.8-27B

1. Quickest start is `ollama run qwen3.8`, about 18 GB of files
2. On our reference machine use BF16 with `vllm serve Qwen/Qwen3.8-27B --max-model-len 131072 --reasoning-parser qwen3 --enable-auto-tool-choice --tool-call-parser qwen3_coder`, since FP8 on gfx1151 isn't documented
3. Use the qwen3_coder tool parser, SGLang's cookbook says the Hermes parser leaves its calls unparsed
4. Thinking is on by default, pass `chat_template_kwargs` with `enable_thinking` false for short tasks, and read the reasoning from `reasoning_content`
5. `reasoning_effort` takes xhigh (default), medium or low, and any other value makes the template raise an error
6. Sampling per the card is temperature 1.0 and top_p 0.95 when thinking, temperature 0.7, top_p 0.8 and presence_penalty 1.5 without
7. Preserved thinking keeps earlier reasoning in the context unless `preserve_thinking` is false, which grows long agent sessions
8. Turn on YaRN only beyond 262,144 tokens, the card warns static YaRN can cost quality on short texts
9. Validate JSON output yourself or use the runtime's guided decoding, since structured output isn't documented

## Questions

### Which is better for AI agents, Kronos or Qwen3.8-27B?

Qwen3.8-27B scores 68.6 (B) on agent readiness against Kronos's 55.2 (C), and leads in 3 of 4 scored categories. Kronos leads on documentation and upkeep.


## For agents

- This comparison as JSON: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/kronos-vs-qwen3-8-27b.json, and with the fewest tokens: https://www.anchorterminal.com/compare/kronos-vs-qwen3-8-27b.min.md
- Over MCP at https://www.anchorterminal.com/mcp (no key): `compare_tools {"a": "kronos", "b": "qwen3-8-27b"}`. From a terminal: `anchor compare kronos qwen3-8-27b`
- Each listing in full: https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/kronos.json and https://www.anchorterminal.com/api/v1/tools/qwen3-8-27b.json

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